I would like to talk about Bill C-25. I know the Honourable Navdeep Bains will have another opportunity on Thursday to speak to that.
In that context, the bill does identify a name and comply approach. Similarly, with respect to the CRC program, we're proposing that all institutions with five or more chairs—these are specifically the medium and large universities—must table a plan. It's not enough to do targets; they must also table a plan to reach the targets.
As Minister Duncan was mentioning, the challenge, when you look at the targets they set of their own will, is that they have not been meeting those targets. What we're asking them to do is, again, name and identify what it is they are doing.