Okay.
Mr. Auger, thank you for taking the time today. One of the comments you made about paying for IP twice goes back to what Anand said that in a lot of ways the federal government's money goes into universities through transfer to the provinces, etc., and the Canadian taxpayers' dollars go in, yet professors in universities want the IP.
Maybe you don't want to go into specifics, but I want you to talk about the negotiations from the beginning, the struggle to find value, which you made in your comments, and also the frustration from having to pay twice for IP.