If you take a look at the program run by Mitacs, which is specifically directed toward graduate education—I won't declare a conflict, but I was on the board of Mitacs at one point—it aspires to do 10,000 placements a year of master's and Ph.D. students working in the private sector for experience.
At the University of Waterloo, we do 20,000 undergraduate co-op placements a year in our co-op program. It's paid employment by the private sector. It's a vastly transformational opportunity for students when they go out on these work terms.
In this IP space and with respect to graduate education, master's and Ph.D.s., I think the trick to a lot of commercialization activity is those internships or those periods of time. Remember, the first comment I made in my presentation had to do with highly skilled employees. We produce them, but we have to have an effective way to get them into the private sector. Those internships achieve that goal.