In our estimation, across the councils it's fairly standard. Most of the money, 70%, goes to people. The researchers are paid through the university, but they hire students and research assistants, so these are big investments in communities.
In London, Ontario, the $100 million or so that comes in from the Tri-Council and CFI is invested in people and in jobs in that community, and then we see the benefit of that in what's produced in the research. With regard to the indirect costs, now we're talking about equipment, but also people, because that's maintenance, utilities, and all the things that are required to keep the research moving. It's a people enterprise, at the end of the day, if you take the equipment out of the equation.