I agree. What was striking in some of this was the in-between time of those who are doing it but not using it as a loss leader. There has been a lot of discussion on this.
Mr. Geist, maybe you can talk about ROKSO a little bit, because in the past, spam has been a loss leader for business, a small spam investment sending out millions, if not multi-millions, of dollars in emails. All you have to do is get back one. I think all members of Parliament get calls about the fake CRA scams that prey on seniors. This deplorable practice is only getting worse. It's done not only by telephone but also through spam.
That was a big part of the discussion about what we're doing internationally on this, and I have made a request for a witness from Interpol in the future, but could you please go into a little more detail about ROKSO?