Frank Baylis at the Industry, Science and Technology Committee

I appreciate that, Jim.

I want to come back to your question on the pricing of spectrum. I'm not an expert on it, but you had mentioned that right now the model is still based on copper twisted pair.

First of all, you did say that? Am I correct? Okay.

You're saying that model should be changed in these remote areas to a spectrum based on population, i.e., tied to the potential of me making money back as opposed to the twisted copper pair.

Explain to me how the twisted copper pair works. Is it the length of laying it? Explain to me how that would work, this spectrum based on twisted copper pair pricing.