Evidence of meeting #28 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was employees.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Medline  President and Chief Executive Officer, Empire Company Limited
Sarah Davis  President, Loblaw Companies Limited
Eric La Flèche  President and Chief Executive Officer, Metro inc.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

On June 9, you speak to Mr. La Flèche. What's the nature of that conversation? He asks you if you have agreed to end pandemic pay. What do you say?

3:25 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

I said we hadn't decided what we were going to do.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Okay, but this is despite the fact that you had, in fact, decided.

3:25 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

We were still in communications with our union at that time.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Okay, and the decision is then made on June 11 and it's told to your employees.

3:25 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

That's right.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Then immediately thereafter, you send an email.

By “public” you mean it was communicated to your employees. Is that right?

3:30 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

That's right. There are 200,000 of them.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Mr. La Flèche, after repeatedly asking your competitors when they were going to end pandemic pay and upon learning that pandemic pay was going to be ended by Loblaws on June 13, you quickly made a decision in complete agreement with the decision by Loblaws. Is that right?

3:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Metro inc.

Eric La Flèche

We made our own decision based on the information we had, which included that last piece of information, yes.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Mr. Medline, other than the conversation that you had with Mr. La Flèche the week of May 20, did you have any other conversations with competitors?

3:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Empire Company Limited

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Ms. Davis, you had two conversations with Mr. La Flèche in addition to the courtesy email. I appreciate your letting us know about the courtesy email in your opening remarks, although I'm curious that you didn't let us know about these other conversations.

Did you have any other conversations with competitors apart from those two with Mr. La Flèche?

3:30 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

No, I did not.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Was Galen Weston aware that you were having these conversations with your competitors?

3:30 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

I think I told him that Eric had called me, yes.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Did you inform him of the second call as well?

3:30 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

Yes, he knew about the second call.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Did the board know that each of you were communicating at different points with your competitors?

3:30 p.m.

President, Loblaw Companies Limited

Sarah Davis

I'm not sure if the board was aware or not. I think the board was aware.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Mr. La Flèche.

3:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Metro inc.

Eric La Flèche

No, I don't think so. I may have mentioned it to the board, when we extended to June 13, that we had information that Loblaw was extending also, but again, it was a decision we made as an executive team. It wasn't a board decision.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Were there any other conversations? We know the conversations between you. You obviously have employees in senior positions. Was there any communication between anyone else at your companies and your competitors?

I'll start with Mr. La Flèche.

3:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Metro inc.

Eric La Flèche

No, not to my knowledge.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Ms. Davis.