I don't want to get into the specifics of which program. I don't think there's any sector-specific program right now. Essentially the programs that exist are not dedicated to aerospace, to our industry. That's one thing. I think we have a lack of structure. We have a lot of things that are ad hoc, that come and go, and I think we need a strategy put in place so that the industry is supported on an ongoing basis.
I know that I don't have much time, so I want to talk about the example of Airbus. Mike and Suzanne were talking about support for the aerospace industry. You have to have a strong supply chain. You have to have somewhere where people can be trained and you're able to get manpower for these companies that decide to come and invest here. I can tell you that a couple years ago, Airbus came here, and their eyes were lit up. They wanted to invest a lot of money. They wanted to make a mini Toulouse out of Mirabel and the Montreal area. That would have brought in a lot of ripple-effect work for other smaller companies. I can tell you that for the last couple of years, or more in the last year, they've been disillusioned, and they're not thinking the same way that they were a couple of years ago. Why? Because there is a lack of a support by the government for the aerospace industry.
When these companies do their five-year plans and they're looking at where they're going to invest and where they're going to grow, they're not looking at Canada with as much interest as they did in the past, because of the laxity and because of the time it's taking to get support for our industry. I think it's imminent. It scares me—I don't know if if scares government or not—that major employers like Airbus, who made a decision to come and invest here, are going to look at their five-year plans and see that there's no support from the government and start looking at where else they can invest. I think there's a feeling of urgency and that the federal government needs to move, and it needs to move quickly, to build a sector approach, a strategy for our sector and dedicated funding through something like an EXIM bank. You were talking about EDC. They won't make loans if you don't have a contract in hand. There are programs that exist, but they're not very accessible right now, and they're not dedicated to just aerospace.