They are not. I have to be honest. A lot of the small and medium-sized businesses are using it. Some of the major ones, like Air Canada, are not, or they're partially using it. There haven't been obligations put on the employers to use it to keep people employed and at work. I believe that was what the CEWS was for, initially. It was to make sure that we kept people employed and at work.
Why? Knowing that it will take a long time to recover in that industry, as Madame Benoît has said, many of these employers, such as Air Canada, have decided that since there were people who were going to be on furlough for a year to two years, they simply didn't want to pay the difference. They were getting a wage subsidy for 75%. They didn't want to pay the additional 25% or the benefits, which are attached to collective bargaining agreements.
It is extremely important that we continue the program and not lose our talent and that we make sure people stay and work in the small and medium-sized enterprises, and maybe that there is a merging of two different programs, but the wage subsidy is important, and it has helped. I can't say that it hasn't. I think it should be maintained, but there needs to be more sector-specific aid to the employers to make sure they can support their people at work and have new projects for people to work on, like Suzanne was saying for green energy. If we don't support the employers, we're going to lose that talent, and then employers won't be interested in investing here in Canada.