Mr. Andy Gibbons at the Industry, Science and Technology Committee

I would say the last year has been difficult navigating government policy, Mr. Poilievre. A lot of the policies have been implemented in a chaotic environment, and, let's be fair, COVID is chaotic. It has been chaotic. Good people are reacting in good faith to events, but that's all the more reason we wanted testing regimes and felt they were so important—