Sure. I'll start. Dean, please feel free.... It will also help answer Mr. Dreeshen's question that I went over time on.
Fibre is the backbone of our networks. Whether it's our wireline networks for cable or our wireless networks, they require fibre to work, especially in a 5G world. By bringing the companies together, we get the full benefit of the fibre that has been built by the Shaw organization over the last 50 years, combined with our wireless capability. There's synergy in that. The Rogers organization would spend in the neighbourhood of $1 billion to $2 billion over the next many years replicating that fibre. The opportunity here is to leverage that synergy and then reinvest it into going further and going faster overall.
The average capital we look at today is measured in about 10-year payback. That's today's capital, in urban and suburban Canada. In rural Canada, the payback shoots way up, and that has always been the challenge. If we can find ways of driving synergy and reinvesting it in rural, that's a good thing for Canadians, for the future of the industry.