Right, but at the same time, with Air Canada, I think it was Mr. Flaherty at that time who actually put limits on the dividends and the executive pay to stop such a large deficit until the fund was going.
My other question is this. The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, which was the lion's share, illustrated that companies with defined benefit plans have the capacity to fund their pensions, but they just don't have to. Do you think, after listening to all the witnesses...?
They were saying that a change is needed, that it's time. If we don't do something, then companies are just not going to have to, because they're not obligated to. We have to put some pressure on them to make those payments.