Evidence of meeting #103 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was board.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Simon Kennedy  Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry
Mitch Davies  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Innovation Fund, Department of Industry
Andrew Noseworthy  Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry
1  As an Individual

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

I call this meeting to order.

Good morning everyone. Welcome to meeting No. 103 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Industry and Technology. Today’s meeting is taking place in a hybrid format in accordance with the Standing Orders.

Pursuant to the motion adopted on November 7, 2023, the committee is resuming its study on the recent investigation and reports on Sustainable Development Technology Canada..

This evening, we welcome Simon Kennedy, Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada. Thank you for joining us, Mr. Kennedy.

We also have Mitch Davies, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Innovation Fund, and Andrew Noseworthy, Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector.

Mr. Kennedy, you have the floor for five minutes.

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Simon Kennedy Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thanks to the members of the committee for inviting us to speak on this issue.

I know that members are aware of the timeline of events as they've been stated at the ETHI committee meetings, but if you will permit me, it may be helpful for me to use my opening remarks to contextualize the discussion this evening and emphasize our commitment to getting to the facts of the matter and taking the necessary steps to restore confidence in the management of public funds at SDTC.

As you have heard, in March 2023, upon learning of the serious allegations made against Sustainable Development Technology Canada, or SDTC, the Minister of Industry requested that the Department engage the firm of Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton to conduct a fact-finding exercise. These were serious allegations that warranted proper due diligence with next steps that are informed by an assessment of all evidence.

The resulting fact-finding was based on a review of documentation related to organizational policies and procedures, program governance, the project approval process and select interviews. At its conclusion, the fact-finding exercise found no clear evidence of deliberate wrongdoing. What it did find, however, were weaknesses in governance and controls, and instances in which the organization was not in full compliance with its contribution agreement. For this reason, SDTC was issued a management action plan with an implementation deadline of December 31.

The management response and action plan is comprehensive and includes measures to ensure there is a clear and consistent process to declare and document real or perceived conflicts of interest, that the project approval process is fully compliant with the contribution agreement as well as enhanced documentation protocols and internal controls.

There is also a requirement for SDTC to strengthen reporting requirements to give Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, or ISED, increased oversight over ongoing compliance.

Pending satisfactory implementation of the required corrective measures, all new funding by SDTC has been temporarily suspended.

While the management response and action plan specifically address the conclusions of the fact-finding exercise, the department has also held consultations with the Office of the Auditor General. The Auditor General has decided to conduct an audit of Sustainable Development Technology Canada. We're committed to offering our full co-operation, obviously, and look forward to the AG's final report.

Mr. Chair, the Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton fact-finding exercise could not directly examine the recent allegations of labour and employment contraventions, including harassment or abuse by SDTC management against complainants, due to SDTC's status as an arm's-length, shared-governance corporation, but in the course of the work by RCGT, weaknesses were observed. Following discussion with the board, SDTC agreed to allow a third party to have a closer look at these allegations. In that regard, the minister requested that the Department of Justice appoint a law firm to undertake a fact-finding exercise into the allegations and report the findings to the minister. McCarthy Tétrault was appointed as the legal agent.

To facilitate the McCarthy Tétrault review, SDTC has agreed to allow current and former employees to speak freely to the law firm without violating any applicable settlement agreements or non-disclosure agreements. A fact-finding report will be produced and prepared in a manner that respects privacy laws.

Committee members, the government is completing its due diligence, which is an important, necessary, step. Interim control measures are in place and the ultimate outcome will be informed by the Auditor General and the McCarthy Tétrault Human Resources Review.

I am hopeful that with the actions being taken we are on the path to addressing the organizational shortfalls and restoring confidence in the management of public funds.

I would note that SDTC has played a key role in supporting the needs of Canada's clean technology companies. If you have a brief look at the statistics, you can see the results. Investments made by the organization have been in over 500 companies to date, which have generated $3.1 billion in annual revenue, created 24,500 jobs and brought 194 new technologies to market. The estimated reduction of greenhouse gas emissions of these technologies is the equivalent of about seven million cars off the road.

We feel that this organization has played an important role. It's important that we get the current reviews right so that public confidence can be restored.

With that, Mr. Chair, I am ready to answer questions.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you very much, Mr. Kennedy.

To begin the discussion, I will give the floor to Mr. Perkins for six minutes.

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Kennedy, on September 15, according to SDTC, you called to suspend the funds. Is that correct?

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Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Simon Kennedy

Mr. Chair, I'm just looking at the chronology. We briefed the minister on the results on September 27—

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I understand that, but that wasn't my question. SDTC provided evidence that you phoned on September 15 to suspend the fund.

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Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Simon Kennedy

I would have to consult my notes. I don't have the specific date.

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Could you get back to us with that?

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Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Simon Kennedy

Absolutely. That's no problem.

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

That was 12 days before the minister said that he was briefed on the Raymond Chabot thing, so you suspended the fund before you actually had the final report.

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Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Simon Kennedy

Mr. Chair, I would have to come back to the committee. That is not my recollection. I'll have to consult the testimony of SDTC.

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

You don't believe that you made the call to suspend the fund before you briefed the minister on the report.

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Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Simon Kennedy

Mr. Chair, we sent SDTC a formal request with a management action plan, so there was an exchange of correspondence. I'd have to consult that and get back to the committee, which I'm happy to do.

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Okay. I'd appreciate it if you'd get back to me on that.

Mr. Davies, when did you serve as an ISED observer on the SDTC board?

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Mitch Davies Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Innovation Fund, Department of Industry

Mr. Chair, when the organization was transferred to our portfolio—

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

What was the date?

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Innovation Fund, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

It was in 2016 and into 2017. That is my recollection. I don't know the precise dates of—

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Was that the only time you were there?

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Innovation Fund, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

In my memory, yes. It was seven years ago.

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Noseworthy, you took over in 2017. Is that correct?

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Andrew Noseworthy Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Yes, I did, and I continued to attend meetings until early 2023.

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

It was early 2023. Okay, thank you.

When chair of the board Annette Verschuren asked for the fast-tracking of $2.2 million from the mysterious eco green fund of SDTC in the fall of 2021, were you aware of that at the time?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Andrew Noseworthy

I'm sorry, sir, but I'm not sure I understand the specific—

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Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Okay, I'll make it simpler.

At meeting number 70 of the board—and you sit on the board—in January 2022, SDTC rejected Annette Verschuren's request for $2.2 million from the fund to the Annette Verschuren Centre, because of a conflict of interest. You must recall that.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Andrew Noseworthy

I don't recall a board meeting where there was a specific discussion about an allocation of funds to the Verschuren Centre.