The minutes reflect this. In the minutes it says that a certain director has a conflict. Those are declared. Those are declared in the meeting, and they're declared in the minutes.
Perhaps the minutes did not provide enough information specifically about our recusing ourselves and leaving the room. We're upgrading that. As part of the management response and action plan that the minister has asked the SDTC organization to exercise, we have tightened that up to make sure that we absolutely paper everything and have that clarity.
All the cases where I declared conflicts are in the minutes of the meetings that I attended.