Evidence of meeting #116 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Noon
NDP
Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON
Normally, we have the department that's proposing legislative changes come in front of us. I think the problem we're facing is that we have the Department of Industry here representing the Department of Justice.
Has the Department of Justice provided any written material that you could give to the committee so we can resolve this?
My standing convention is for a department to have representation in front of the committee when it wants amendments. That's the problem here. Basically, a vessel for the justice department has come to the industry committee for this amendment. There's the confusion. Regardless of that, there is a consequence to this change. They wouldn't be asking for this change if there weren't a reason and consequences. If it were convention that it be included, then that's a pretty bold mistake to begin with in the legislation. It has a consequence, as we know.
Is there any written information from the Department of Justice? Can we get anybody from the Department of Justice on the phone for this? I don't know. It's just—
Noon
NDP
Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON
Yes, let's. It's a mess, because we only have a vessel here.
We're here for a reason. The parliamentary secretary can shake his head, and the Liberals can heckle and do all the stuff they've been doing since the beginning of this meeting, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there's a lack of trust here. Again, we don't have information.
Specifically, is there any written information from the Department of Justice or anything from a representative of the Department of Justice about the amendment they want to this legislation?
Noon
Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
I have no written information from the Department of Justice. Throughout the entirety of this process, we'll be relaying information that is both of a content nature and of a drafting nature. I will be relaying that as it has been relayed.
In this particular case, it is about the drafting convention of the naming of schedules. Schedules are best understood with precision, and we are therefore asking for this schedule to be renumbered.
Noon
NDP
Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON
The bottom line, then, is they couldn't be bothered to show up.
What amendments do we have from departments other than Industry out of the number of amendments we have coming forward? Maybe we should have them here and available to us if we want to get this done properly.
Noon
Conservative
Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Regarding schedule 1, it refers to proposed subsection 6(3). What page can you point me to in the legislation to see proposed subsection 6(3)?
Noon
Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
On page 7, under “Application”, proposed subsection 6(3) reads:
This Act also applies to an organization set out in column 1 of the schedule in respect of personal information set out in column 2.
Noon
Conservative
Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC
What organization is that? Is that the one Ms. Angus referred to, the World Anti-Doping Agency?
Noon
Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
That's correct.
Noon
Conservative
Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC
Okay. Let's look at proposed subsection 122(2) as well. What page is that on?
12:05 p.m.
Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
That would be on page 61 of the bill, under “Orders”. Paragraph (c) reads:
amend the schedule by adding or deleting, in column 1, a reference to an organization or by adding or deleting, in column 2, the description of personal information in relation to an organization in column 1.
12:05 p.m.
Conservative
Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC
I'm sorry. Is that in proposed paragraph 122(1)(c), which reads, “specifying information for the purposes of section 51”? Am I reading that correctly?
12:05 p.m.
Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
No. That's proposed paragraph 122(2)(c).
12:05 p.m.
Conservative
Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC
I apologize. It says:
amend the schedule by adding or deleting, in column 1, a reference to an organization
Where is column 1?
12:05 p.m.
Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
Column 1 is in the schedule.
12:05 p.m.
Conservative
Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC
Okay, and that is the only column. Column 1 is the World Anti-Doping Agency.
12:05 p.m.
Senior Director, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
There are two columns. Column 1 is the organization and column 2 is a description.
12:05 p.m.
Conservative
Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC
It reads:
amend the schedule by adding or deleting, in column 1, a reference to an organization or by adding or deleting, in column 2, the description of personal information in relation to an organization in column 1.
What is the impact of proposed paragraph 122(2)(c), then, on the schedule outline?
12:05 p.m.
Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry
The purpose of proposed section 122 is, under the regulations and general provisions of the act, to set out the requirements by which the Governor in Council may make regulations for carrying out the purposes of the act.
12:05 p.m.
Conservative
