We only have two sources of evidence: Ms. Verschuren's testimony and the minutes of each meeting. Mr. Aquilino has reviewed every report that we have received. As he said, in a few cases, someone recused themselves, but in the majority of situations, that was not the case. I don't know if Ms. Verschuren's memory failed her, but from what she told us and from what we found in the minutes of the meetings, it is clear that she was in the room at the time decisions were made, particularly those concerning COVID-19 relief. She did not recuse herself.
Mr. Aquilino, do you want to add anything?