Ms. Verschuren, the commissioner's office just testified, just to be clear, that there were 24 conflicts of interest, not two.
However, I want to go back to my question on how you were appointed.
You said that you didn't apply and that the Liberal minister of industry approached you, and you had two conversations with him to do that.
However, we also have testimony here from the Liberal minister of industry, who said that he was given a list by the Privy Council Office, and that's who he contacted. The head of appointments for the Privy Council Office, who was in place when you were appointed, said that she supplied six names to Minister Bains. When asked if anyone had ever been appointed without being on that list, she said no, not that she was aware of. However, you didn't apply, so I have no idea how you could have been on the list that Minister Bains then went and checked out.
Who, then, misled the committee—Minister Bains and the Prime Minister's department, the PCO, on appointments, in saying that you applied, or you in saying you never applied?