Mr. Garon, as I was saying, we have always been there for people in the forestry industry—you know that. I talk to them regularly.
What I was describing to you is not only the current situation but also what we are looking at, in terms of innovation, with a number of manufacturers and people in the sector. I was going to say that we're looking at Finland and Sweden, because we need to push the forest industry towards using resources in new ways.
When I was young, there was a wood pile next door. We chopped up a lot of it, and the resource was transformed—