Well, it depends on the minister and on the department. We can also get briefing books and so forth. I'm trying to get an assertation as to what limits have been prescribed for the public service with regard to the ministers.
For the parliamentary secretaries, that's ordinary business. Each minister is very different in terms of what they will.... You can get the briefing books. You can do all the different things. You can do ATIP. You can do all those different things.
What I'm trying to ascertain is where the guardrails are that have been directing Mr. Marion at this point in time in terms of information. We've already heard right now that some stuff is verbal or on the phone and some stuff is written in notes and is provided that way.
I don't understand it exactly, and I want to know specifically where his mandate for those guardrails is coming from. That's what I would like to know, because that's going to determine how I seek out the information that's necessary for this committee.