That's exactly what I was pointing to. This is a very common model, and I think that is important for us to understand here. There's not a conflict of interest per se, because they're bound.... If you said something they don't like, they couldn't withdraw funding from you. I think that's really important for us to be clear about.
Number two, I tend to agree with Mr. Perkins on the Interac fees—which is very unusual, by the way.