Maybe this would be good for an example. I know I have to be really quick here.
Could we get back on whether there are some metrics for either the loans or the grants and how long it's taking people who have gone through those processes and taken advantage of them to pay them back and get into the positive? I want to see whether they're effective or not.
My background is as an employment specialist for persons with disabilities. Sometimes what we used to do was measure how long it took to pay off the educational component, because that often decides why somebody would even go into the market. Perhaps we can follow up on that, Mr. Chair.
Thank you for your time.