That's exactly correct. With the retirements, you're seeing a lot of journeymen who are retiring, and for the contractors, there's that hesitancy to bring on apprentices, because it takes them so long to get upskilled, and they're not always keen to take on four or five first-year apprentices. They'd much rather have one journeyperson.
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