On my level, and just from the education side of things, I do look into the CAFC and the RCMP and the resources that they have, and the resources are excellent. I sometimes rewrite things for my own classes or I just use their own materials. There's no need to reinvent the wheel with some of this stuff. In just talking to people, many of them don't know it's there.
I can't speak at all to why there's not enough information given out, or a split in jurisdictions where local law enforcement or the RCMP are not taking a local interest. I'm not sure of the exact reason. The material is there. On your side, and the committee's side, of course, you have an interest in the actual statistics and the numbers. The average person is not interested in accessing that information.
In terms of fraud prevention, awareness, and everything else, I teach a special program with our local university. It's for people 55 and older. I've been doing it every semester for eight years now, and there's always a class that signs up. I also do talks with our regular police. The interest is definitely there. There's no question about that. I have people coming to me, and not just me, trying to chase people down and put pamphlets into their hands, but the information is already available. People can look this stuff up online. They can get pamphlets. They can visit their local police. There's an unlimited number of ways people can be educated to prevent this stuff, but somehow there's a disconnect. That's why I've been focusing my own work, even working with MP Brian Masse, on trying to educate the public specifically.
It's been going well. I'm hoping that after a few years there will be a big hole in a map where reporting and fraud happens. That might be a little optimistic, but getting the information, as far as I'm concerned, does not require SHAKEN/STIRRED. It does not require enforcement. It doesn't require U.S. law enforcement co-operation. If every person whom I've reached so far knows what a scam is, whether it's through SMS, text, online, or a phone call, they can identify the fraud in the first place. None of the other approaches is effective.