Well, at the very least, it ought to be an honourable one. I think where you have, as I say, communities in which mortgages are plummeting, where there's an incredible sense of helplessness, those people in the southeast who are experiencing transition in real time will tell you that it is not just a matter of telling them to go out to work in the green economy—
On October 17th, 2022. See this statement in context.