For a full ecosystem, we talked about the time frames for mining. That's a big part of it.
The great news is that we actually have a lot of that ecosystem. We have manufacturers. We mentioned Lion Electric. We have electric heavy-duty manufacturers and mining manufacturers. We obviously have a mature auto sector here.
The full ecosystem is going to take some time, for sure. That is on the upstream side. It's the mining, refining and processing. The great news is we've heard a lot about this. We have the capacity to do this, but it is going to take some time. That doesn't mean it's not worth doing.
The great news is that people are going to be driving electric vehicles for many years. We don't need to be doing this next year, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be starting to ramp up capacity towards the end of the decade.