Evidence of meeting #83 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

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Mark Schaan  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry

6:40 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

Mr. Chair, perhaps I can offer a few considerations with respect to the question of the member.

One, I would note the increasing number of pre-revenue and other companies that, on the basis of their financial books, are not necessarily earning profits yet are still very much active in the marketplace. I won't name names of companies in this space. Obviously, the financials are one consideration, but a lack or not of profit is not necessarily an indication of relevancy to the market.

More specifically to the member's question with respect to what we take into account when it comes to a net benefit review, I would note the broadness of the factors that are laid out within the act in section 20. They include the following:

(a) the effect of the investment on the level and nature of economic activity in Canada, including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the effect on employment, on resource processing, on the utilization of parts, components and services produced in Canada and on exports from Canada;

(b) the degree and significance of participation by Canadians in the Canadian business or new Canadian business and in any industry or industries in Canada of which the Canadian business or new Canadian business forms or would form a part;

(c) the effect of the investment on productivity, industrial efficiency, technological development, product innovation and product variety in Canada;

(d) the effect of the investment on competition within any industry or industries in Canada;

(e) the compatibility of the investment with national industrial, economic and cultural policies, taking into consideration industrial, economic and cultural policy objectives enunciated by the government or legislature of any province likely to be significantly affected by the investment; and

(f) the contribution of the investment to Canada’s ability to compete in world markets.

It is also important to note that we then have specific guidelines with respect to state-owned enterprises:

It is the policy of the Government of Canada to ensure that the governance and commercial orientation of [state-owned enterprises] are considered in determining whether reviewable acquisitions of control in Canada by the [state-owned enterprise] are of net benefit to Canada. In doing so, investors will be expected to address in their plans and undertakings, the inherent characteristics of [state-owned enterprises], specifically that they are susceptible to state influence. Investors will also need to demonstrate their strong commitment to transparent and commercial operations.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

That was a very good and comprehensive answer.

I have a quick question. Maybe we can have a quick answer to it, because I know we're tight on time. In consideration of a couple of amendments that have come before in that net benefit list, would the disposition of Canadian-owned IP and its ultimate loss or movement out of the country and/or data, privacy data, on individuals or Canadian companies form part of that analysis, which I think was paragraph 20(d) or (e)?

6:45 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

Yes. I would simply offer that we very much consider those factors to be included within the considerations for net benefit review.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you.

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you, Mr. Perkins.

If there are no more comments or questions on the subamendment proposed by Mr. Gaheer, we will put it to a vote.

(Subamendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you all. The subamendment having been adopted, we now return to CPC‑2.

Are there any questions or comments about this amendment?

Mr. Perkins, you have the floor.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I'll make this quick, because I think we've been over this quite a bit. I think the officials have been great. I thank the government members and the officials for getting to the root of what we were trying to do. I didn't ever intend to exclude countries that we have a good trading relationship with. This was really meant to be focused on others.

I appreciate the goodwill with which the government and officials have treated this amendment going forward. I hope, given all that, we'll get support around this table for this amendment in the bill.

6:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you, Mr. Perkins.

Yes, it's in the spirit of this collaborative committee. Thank you for these words.

Are there any more questions or comments on CPC-2 as amended? No.

I'll ask for a recorded vote.

(Amendment as amended agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 7 as amended agreed to)

This brings us to 6:50. We started the meeting at about 4:50, so I want to....

Is there something, Mr. Perkins?

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

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6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

We just did clause 7, so that will need unanimous consent when we come back, unless there's unanimous consent now. However, I don't think you will have unanimous consent to go back to clause 7 at this point.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

If I could ask for indulgence, then, maybe, because I think we're running short on time. If we could agree....

With Mr. Gaheer's table-dropped...we're going to need unanimous consent to make some of the other clauses—I think it's clause 4—consistent with what we just did.

I'll ask for unanimous consent to be able to introduce one more, if that's okay.

6:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

You'll bring it back in due time.

That concludes the time we have for our committee today.

I want to thank the officials who have been with us for a long time working on Bill C‑34. I would also like to thank the legislative clerks, the clerk and the members of the committee. Thank you for your cooperation.

I sincerely hope that we get this moving quickly in the fall. There's a lot that's been done already. We have just a few more clauses to get through.

On that note, I wish everyone a good summer. It's been a privilege and an honour to chair this committee with all of you.

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, you do a wonderful job on this committee. I very much enjoy it, and I hope you remain the chair when we come back, because I think we have great hearings, whether on this or our studies. I really love your approach to chairing.

6:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

6:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you very much, folks.

Thank you to the interpreters, the support staff, the clerk and everyone else. Have a great summer. Take care of yourselves.

The meeting is adjourned.