Fair enough, Mr. Perkins. You've helped me learn the procedural rules of this committee as it is our last meeting. I appreciate that.
My ruling on this point of order has been challenged by Mr. Perkins. Shall my decision be sustained?
(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 4)
We are still on LIB-4. Are there any more questions or comments on LIB-4?
Mr. Vis.