On the second part, I'll just explain, because clearly some of the members don't understand.
There's a difference between a discussion in the ethics committee about a conflict of interest in the investment committee process and board process of approving investments versus—and I'm sure MP Turnbull is very interested in this—the formal thing you have to do as a director on a corporation board. I have been on boards of Crown and private and publicly traded companies. You have to declare.... It's a formal declaration, on paper, of a conflict of interest of companies that you have an investment in.
This is asking not for a debate on the conflict of interest, but for those declarations, those forms, that the Crown foundation has from directors and is accountable to this committee for. It's just asking for those documents. It's not about the debate on the conflict of interest.