Welcome to you both.
The presentations here were informed and will allow us to go right to the core issues.
You've mentioned, in a kind of generic sum-up, referencing the Canadian government's position with respect to cool politics and warm economics, specific reference to the fact that the Prime Minister has said we will not sacrifice human rights to the almighty dollar. And you've also mentioned that without a political relationship, there won't be traction on a whole gamut of issues as China emerges in a global sense, both economically and politically.
I think you can appreciate that we've had witness testimony that has said there is no relationship or more particularly no adverse impact between human rights advocacy on the one hand and adverse fallout for Canada's commercial interests on the other. I want to ask you whether you believe that is correct. What is the relationship between human rights advocacy on our part in the form of policies, programs, statements, and actions on the one hand, and our commercial interests? Have you any examples where such interests have been adversely affected?
In that context, perhaps you might make some suggestions as to how both can go forward together. And if you want to comment on the Canada-China bilateral dialogue and its efficacy, that would also be welcome.
That is to either one, or both.