I was just going to say that there has also been considerable testimony in terms of CIDA's role, but in thinking of your question, I think it is also a role that CIDA has tried to fill in the past, not necessarily just government to government, but in working with provinces, regions, and communities.
I had the benefit of visiting a number of those CIDA projects in China, where there was terrific success with those projects and a real relationship that was built, not necessarily with the government or with the leaders of that area, but really with the community leaders of those areas. So however your committee wishes to look on the role of CIDA, I think that's one of the roles CIDA can play to build the capacity, if you will, for that civil society.
Someone mentioned that there are something like 30,000 NGOs. They may not fit the definition of NGOs as we know them, but hopefully, through evolution, they can and they will be. But I think you're right: you have to have a multi-dimensional approach. Government to government is one important facet, but it's not the only one.