It's a question of where you want to have some entry points that will make sense, given the conditions in China. Just to give you one fact—and this is in response to the earlier question about scale and whether there should be conditionality and economics and so on—at the end of the day, the ODA in China is less than 0.1% of their capital flows. Therefore, where Canada or the CIDA program can make a difference is really in being able to look at opportunities that can have a catalytic effect. Take a longer-term view while knowing that there are many serious differences of opinion and approach on how to deal with human rights issues between Canada and China, and look at where we can share with them the best practices, the Canadian practices, on how we deal with these issues. Focus on the conditions and areas where conditions in China permit certain reform-minded people and units or organizations or institutions to be able to capitalize on the Canadian development assistance program to advance the human rights agenda.
On December 5th, 2006. See this statement in context.