This seems quite appropriate. I see David Kilgour coming through the door. You and I and some others raised the issue of Falun Gong and the harvesting of organs, and that was my first opportunity to meet both of the gentlemen. Welcome here today.
I want to just preamble a little bit. You were talking about executions and torture with the same kind of repugnance all of us would feel about that. I don't know whether you're aware of testimony in the last day or so from CSIS and the RCMP around the use of depositions received by way of torture, the fact that they are still prepared to use them. We found it very shocking to hear that conversation.
Beyond that, I have a couple of points I'd like to talk about. I spent a little time in the Middle East in the late 1970s, and one thing I noted at the time was a certain amount of bravado that took place. I was in Saudi Arabia, which was far more modern relative to Iran at that time. The bravado was there, and it struck many of us who were there that certain statements were made by the Saudi royal family that seemed focused outward to keep the attention of the people inside--in other words, a distraction.
In Iran they have 30% of the population controlling the other 70%. Is that not a method that is perhaps used to some degree or other?
You were speaking about the group that is on the Iraqi border. It strikes me that is an initiative that would have to go through the United Nations. At some point they have to be placed elsewhere, that's very clear. But in the meantime, I share your concern with the high risk they are in.
You did mention as well—I don't know if these were your exact words—that Iran, in your opinion, is still hell-bent on heading for nuclear weapons. I was reading a report just recently that came out in 2007 in the U.S. It talked about their opinion that Iran had stopped production, stopped the program. You've indicated very strongly that you think that's still happening, and you used smuggling as your example. Are there any other sources of information you have on that?
I'll just go a little bit further and that way I can leave both questions with you.
Another thing is that Mr. Gordon was here at our last presentation and he talked about Canada filing charges under Canadian internal law. I'd like your view on whether that is something against....
I'll leave those two thoughts with you.