Thank you.
I have a similar question for both of you. I think the underlying problem here is that the rights discussion quickly gets rarefied and disconnected. Madame Lamarche is recommending an open dialogue, and you're looking for relevant continuous improvement to replace the.... This is a heavy means of going about things, and it's easy for people to not take this process seriously. I'm not suggesting that applies to this committee or the government, but it kind of floats away. I guess I'm wondering what other countries have done to make the rights discussion more real.
To give you a concrete example, I ran food banks in this country for 13 years. Children and families went without food through no fault of their own. There is no real visceral recognition that this condition exists in this country, yet you don't have to go very far down the list of rights to see some basic security rights that people should have, including food, shelter, and so on.
Have other countries done better at centring the relevancy and having that open dialogue?
Ms. Ahmed, by the way, please convey my greetings to Ms. Vandergrift. We worked together in Edmonton years ago.
Has anyone brought this out of the committees and reports and into where the public cares?