What I'm saying is that there are forces in all of our political parties who, when they come to power, have a hidden agenda of perpetuating the caste system and holding to the caste system, and then giving the spin to the rest of the world that the caste system is gone from India.
When we began this campaign globally about a dozen years ago, I remember being in front of parliamentarians in Germany and their defence minister, in the middle of the testimony like this, just blurting out, “I thought the caste system was abolished at independence by Mahatma Gandhi.” Then I had to respond, and I said, “Madam, Mahatma Gandhi tried his best. The sad truth is the caste system is not demolished, but it is well, alive, and very strong in modern India.”