That's exactly the point. The thuggery in Venezuela is known worldwide. Also in that part of the world, without pointing at Venezuela in particular, there are many countries in South America with death squads, with situations where people simply disappear. If you wanted to instill terror and if you were the government that wanted to instill terror, that's not beyond what some people might do. In terms of the fact that those things aren't happening, I'm leaning towards an out-of-control police force or thuggery, in my own view of what I think is occurring there. The underlying reasons, the anti-Semitic reasons, are still there, and I'm not doubting that, but that's why I was asking that line of questioning.
I'm not trying to whitewash Mr. Chávez. He's a character who seems to be adrift compared to what we thought we had when he first was elected, and testimony here leads us that way. The people, though, who have spoken to us here about their Constitution again were very concerned about the fact that they had made, as they saw it, tremendous strides in about a 10-year period with education and health care, and are nervous, I think, about what's happening with Mr. Chávez and whether things are starting to slip. It's a tough nut to crack.