We should be cautious when we're in a hearing and we're talking about participation. It may be true; it may be lower officials. But I want to be cautious on that one. Irrespective of the level of government, it's reprehensible that anybody could be involved in such a disgraceful thing.
I'm sure the committee is tired of hearing this, but I was once in Saudi Arabia for six months. It was a fairly restrictive society. I was there in 1979, and there was talk of such things happening there at the time. The status of women in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan is very similar, and the way you have described this is concerning. You talked about the 25 converts who were arrested. We had evidence at our committee that a refugee has to pretty well get out of the country before he can be processed. Really, the only hope for these 25 is some kind of release. Has there been, to your knowledge, any NATO intervention on behalf of the people involved, particularly these 25?