I spent some time in the Middle East in the seventies. There's a separation between what is religious-based and what's cultural. You find that most of the mutilations and the honour killings and all those things have nothing to do with Islam at all. They have more to do with the cultural society that they're in, and they tend to be—at least in the experience I had—associated more with very poor, uneducated people. It seems to me that to begin to address this, you have to have a government in place that's going to say, “We have to change the culture, we have to educate people that this is wrong.”
In our society, the religious community would join in that. That might be something that hopefully could happen in these countries. I'm not so sure how we go about it, but as I listened to your testimony during your remarks, you were saying that any aid money that was going over there should be tied to some demonstrated change.
The hard part about that is to decide what the benchmarks are and what the timeline is. How do you say you've done this? We were talking about tying aid dollars that go to Afghanistan with human rights changes there. That's probably the only real tool we have.