Thank you, Mr. Tougas.
I would also like to thank all our witnesses.
We have enough time for seven-minute rounds of questions and answers. I'm going to try to end this just a wee bit early because there's a matter Mr. Marston has discussed with me that I think ought to be dealt with at the end of this meeting, and I want to leave enough time for it. We also have a motion that could be introduced by Mr. Hiebert.
I'm going to take advantage of the fact that I have the floor right now to ask Mr. Miller a question.
One of the problems we've had in dealing with this subject that I think is a problem for everybody who deals with it is that this is unlike mass killings, where it's actually relatively easy to figure out how many victims there were, all things considered. There can be efforts to hide them, as there were at places like Katyn, for example, but it's very hard to actually hide the evidence, the numerical statistical evidence, of how many people have been killed. The problem with this is that we tend not to get hard numbers when it comes to sexual abuse, rape, and so on.
You've mentioned some relatively hard numbers: 50,000 in Bosnia and somewhere between a quarter of a million and 500,000 in Rwanda. They were round figures, obviously. Just so we know, is there is a centralized source of this kind of data? That's my first question. Second, related to that, should we assume that these are numbers of victims or numbers of incidents?