In 2002 I was released and then I went to China and then I went back, as I told you. I was at the district office as well for a while and I tried to calculate the number at some point. At the end of August of 2002, about 20,000 were being managed in that area; if we exclude all the officials and their family members there were about 33,000, so about 17,000 to 18,000 were in the camps at that time.
On February 1st, 2011. See this statement in context.