Thank you.
I'll clearly take the first question, and on the second part, I'm certainly not an expert on immigration issues or admissibility under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, but I can make some statements.
In terms of the listing, it's important to note that the Criminal Code list was created only in 2002. It came out of Bill C-36, the Anti-Terrorism Act, which followed the events of September 11. So we didn't have the Criminal Code list back in the time when this group was active and was doing things, as other groups were active and doing things. I think that's a key point.
Listing is a process. The process is laid out in the Criminal Code. It's a very rigorous process. When the Criminal Code list was created in 2002, the government of the day had many entities about which it could consider listing. Clearly an administrative process was designed to support those decisions.
Because the process was so robust, with independent counsel review, with Governor in Council review, with the Minister of Public Safety having to come to grounds, and with consultations and so on, the listing that you see today of 44 entities could not be done all at once in 2002 or 2003. You have an administrative process that takes a bit of time.
On the comments you typically hear about the group's activities, those in fact are reflected on what is public in the unclassified version of each listed entity on the Public Safety website. So we often talk about activities, or you'll hear officials talk about activities, of the group; those are only activities that are unclassified and can be released. Any other activities that are classified clearly are a cabinet confidence, which are discussed perhaps when the group is being considered by the Governor in Council. That's why you see testimony from, for example, the retired colonel, who is at more liberty to talk about activities, as opposed to what you see here in Canada, clearly because of Governor in Council and cabinet confidence.
In terms of admissibility, what you're talking about is section 34 admissibility under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. It is clearly in the area of Citizenship and Immigration and CBSA to determine who is admissible to Canada or not. Once an entity is listed, if an individual is applying to come to Canada as a refugee, for example, that is one of the factors that is taken into consideration when determining whether or not they present a security risk to Canada. That is very different when it comes to Canadian citizens or permanent residents. Again, this is not my area, but you're correct in saying that it is a consideration factor.