You see, there are no private companies or contractors.
[Evidence given in camera]
Then we didn't understand, but now, looking back, the reason they did that was to monopolize all the contracts. They are the only ones. They use conscripts. They use cheap labour. Their interest is to maximize their profit at any cost. The conscripts are there as slaves, so why would they pay money to my people? It's not about Nevsun and it's not about the mining companies, because they don't listen to them.
Hear what one of the safety officers told us: that in each meeting, SENET, for example, one of the South African companies subcontracted by Nevsun, would say that they wanted the Eritrean staff—they know they're conscripts—to wear the safety equipment and use it. But the Eritreans would say no, that they had their own ways. So for any company that is engaged with Eritrea, no matter how much they try, nobody is going to listen.
So the solution here is not to engage until the human rights situation is improved. It has to be conditional.