My personal opinion is that openly urging them, by comparison, is probably more effective. The Chinese government cares about its face. For example, when I was in prison, sometimes the inspectors would come to inspect the prison and then the prison would start doing hygienic work. They would have to make sure that everything is perfect. After the inspectors were gone, they would just let everything go. So they care about their faces.
You talk to them personally, and they will say, yes.... Personally they would tell you, “How could this happen? You're right. I will definitely go and look after this.” This is fake. This is hypocritical. After you're gone—from 1999 to now has been more than a decade—there have been many urgings coming from the international communities. On the surface, the Chinese government has reduced its oppression, but it has gone underground.
What I'm trying to say is, your urging definitely is effective. They will know this: his brother is in Canada, so if I kill him in prison, his brother will not let us off the hook. If they say, okay, if you kill him, his brother is going to go and voice his opinion overseas, this is going to deter them. If your relatives and your older brother and your younger brother are out of China, they will not kill you. But if nobody knows about your relatives being abroad, they will kill you.
For example, another individual, Mr. Shun, was beaten to death. For 20 hours they would not let him sleep. Repugnant letters were forced on him. If he refused, they poured boiling water on his body. He lost consciousness right away, and then they'd throw him in cold water to soak him for a week. All his ribs were broken.
So I think openly voicing, openly urging is the better way.
On a personal level, it may have some effect, but it can be deceptive. They're like hooligans. The Communists are like hooligans. They will tell you, “We were not oppressing them.” This is just a lie. It was just my brother and me. I'm not talking about anybody else. And of course along with us there are many others who suffered. We are the examples. So they're hooligans. They do not talk sense, the Chinese government.