I would argue, as an American president said, “You have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.” I would suggest that we could do both. We need to press the Chinese. We need to urge the Chinese to allow refugees who want to leave North Korea to leave. We need to urge the Chinese to press the North Koreans to make progress on human rights issues. At the same time, we need to continue to work with the North Koreans as well. I'd say we need to do both and we ought to try to do both.
We have pressed the Chinese on many of these issues. We continue to urge Chinese cooperation on these human rights issues. We continue to press the North Koreans on them as well. The Canadian influence would be useful to have on both fronts.