The situation of the refugees is quite difficult. It is very difficult to get out of North Korea. The border with South Korea is heavily guarded and mined. The result is that the only way out is through China.
The Chinese have generally tended to return people who have been captured after they have escaped from North Korea and crossed the border into China. We have urged the Chinese to observe their obligations to allow people to leave. When refugees are returned, they are punished. It's a fairly serious problem. There are frequent reports in the press of refugees being returned.