I want to come back to the results of those programs.
You say that Canada should continue with those programs. Are there any reports on how North Koreans react when they come here? We, in the western world, will say that they come here to see what we do and that this is good.
Let's take, for example, the Montreal Hasidic community, which is in the middle of the city. Its members see everything that goes on around them, but are completely unaffected by our ways of doing things.
So we don't know how North Koreans react. We are asking ourselves the following question: Do they react positively? Do they want to leave the country or are they completely unaffected by those programs?