Anyway, the piece of paper has moved someplace....
The Muslim people I have encountered.... I have a couple of mosques in my riding. I've been there on several occasions. In Mississauga, I even had a meeting between some leadership of the Muslim community and our leader, which I arranged. The people who I have been exposed to over the last seven years have been very much the type of people who you described as being allied to that particular perspective, and the teaching of jihadism is something that I think everybody here would be gravely concerned about.
When you look at the population of Indonesia.... It struck me when you talked about the first case where you were disrupted by about 80 people, and in the second case you mentioned there were 100 people on motorcycles with iron bars. I spent some time in Saudi Arabia and saw some activities—nothing like that—but still, I got a sense of the nature of how they go about their lives relative to their religion.
In our assessment of Indonesia—and you're talking about that change that has happened in five years and how it needs a rapporteur to take a look at—it just seems to me, and I may be way off base here, that the discussion around how serious the implications of that situation are.... We have Human Rights Watch and other people commenting on the situation in a somewhat more positive light than you have here. I don't doubt your testimony at all; in fact, that's why we have you here. I'm a little concerned about the discrepancy and how we would balance that to the point of saying that a special rapporteur is needed.
If you would like to expand on that a little, it might be helpful.