There's no doubt there are some problems with judicial independence in Indonesia across the board on all issues. That's just simply a fact.
I think the bigger problem, from a legal, judicial, rule of law point of view, in relation to this problem in particular, is that police and prosecutors don't robustly investigate or prosecute the cases in the first place. When they do, they seek punishment or fines that are way below what would be reasonable to expect in some of these cases.
In the few cases that have been investigated and prosecuted, there have been punishments that are almost laughable in how small they are. I mean, they are literally time served or a fine of $200 and that sort of thing for police who have been found to have killed somebody. I think that's the bigger issue; the prosecutors don't really pursue this stuff very robustly.
One of the things I like to say when I'm there is that Human Rights Watch for a long time had a big set of issues on the human rights front with the Bush administration here in the United States about a number of issues, from Guantanamo to whatever else. One thing we can say that the Bush administration was good about was that after September 11 they set up a very robust prosecutorial unit in the Department of Justice to prosecute hate crimes against Muslims and Sikhs, because there was an uptick after the September 11 attacks.
That's the sort of thing that is completely lacking in Indonesia, the sort of concerted, focused effort to prosecute crimes of intolerance against minorities. It just doesn't exist. There's no effort to focus on that.