The thing that's very hard for people to understand is that to have a suitable donor sitting alive in a work camp waiting to give you a new liver, say—if you don't mind my using “you”—with all the blood types and tissue types, you have to have a large number of people waiting.
As David Matas said, Major Tan—I think it was Major Tan—went down his lists of people. I don't know whether David said this or not. He went back eight times to get a kidney for this patient. Eight people died so that this one man, whom we both met when we were in the country and I won't name, is doing fine, but eight people are dead so that he could have a—