You're actually out of time, but we appreciate that. You've actually taken exactly the same length of time as the last speaker did. Thank you very much.
We'll now turn to questions from members of the committee. We have five people on the list, but I assume we'll want all six on there. In order to accommodate everybody in the amount of time we have left, we're going to have very brief four-minute rounds.
We will begin with you, Mr. Hiebert. It's probably best to have one question and to indicate which of the two witnesses you want to answer it.