Obviously there was the period in Guatemala, which was the extreme period in 1981-82, when the massacres were happening, and that's a different thing.
But during the conduct of the civil war in Guatemala, if you look at the number of people killed per year, the situation is.... This was a surprise to me, because when I started back in 1999 and 2000, I thought the peace accords had been signed and things would be great and things would move forward. But what happened was the deportation of the people from Los Angeles to El Salvador. The growth of the Mara Salvatrucha and the Mara 18 gangs exploded. The estimates are anywhere between 50,000 and 150,000 in those three countries. There is one colonia that has 500 in one gang and 500 in the next one.
The social fabric was torn as a result of the civil wars—in Guatemala it was 36 years. People have grown up in fear, and because of the poverty and the social fabric and the infiltration of the gangs coming back and all of that stuff, a phenomenon developed that I don't think anybody expected.
Then of course the most recent twist on it has been what's happened in Mexico, because in some cases it has pushed the Zetas south. The Zetas are one of the most violent, and of course they're now in Guatemala and they're now in El Salvador. Of course these kinds of forces are potentially overwhelming, so that's why.... I didn't expect that. I didn't have a clue. I don't know that anybody could have seen that.